Hoka One One Stinson Tarmac Shoe Review
|This review definitely is going to need a little bit of an introduction. First of all, for those who know me or follow my blog will know that I’m a firm believer of less is better in regards to shoe gear. The reason for this is the foot is able to work the way it was designed and begin the shock absorption process by feeling the ground and adapting to your pace, form, and stride. The foot begins the process that sets the leg and rest of the body up for landing and propulsion during running. If something interferes with the foots ability to do this, then form gets compromised and this can lead to injury. A stiff and rigid running shoe can indirectly ruin someone’s gait. So, can someone run properly in a traditional, stiff, and rigid running shoe. Probably, but it is without a doubt harder and makes it easier to cheat as well as minimize muscular recruitment.
So why would I discuss the Hoka One One on my site? 2 years ago I sat on a panel at The Footwear Event in Chicago wear I defended the use of Vibram FiveFingers. The Hoka One One staff was included as well. I thought how in the world can there be a shoe with that magnitude of thickness. I didn’t give it much attention and kinda laughed at it. Several months later while in my office at the hospital, a nurse walked by wearing a pair. “Where did you get those!!!??” was obviously my initial response. She found them at one of our local running shoe stores – Vertical Runner. As time went on, I continued to see more and more of this shoe. Eventually someone from my neighborhood whom I occasionally run with showed up in a pair. He was someone who had transitioned to minimalist shoes and had even run several marathons in minimalist shoes. “Why?” I asked. His response was “they are the same drop as the minimalist shoes but they have a “ton” of cushion!!”. They also performed great for him while running on trails he noted. And then the shoe began showing up everywhere. Ads in Runner’s World and Running Times. Many reviews in shoe guides and blogs. Then the unthinkable. Other popular shoe manufacturers began introducing their version of a “maximally cushioned shoe”. Really? This is finally proof that running shoe design and motive is industry driven. In other words, shoes are not being created as a result of medical based evidence or studies to reduce or prevent injury. Let’s say this again. There is no medical based evidence to support the creation of this type of shoe. The laws of physics will prove to us the higher you are from ground, the more unstable you will be and the more muscle activation it takes to maintain this stability. More muscle activation can lead to two things. Increased risk of overuse injury if done too fast so one will need to transition to this shoe. And two, increased muscle activation could lead to strengthening of the muscles over time. But is this necessary? If you just add a smaller amount of cushion and remain closer to the ground this instability factor goes away.
Shoe Name: Hoka One One Stinson Tarmac
Model: Stinson Tarmac Item No: 30609018
Weight: 11.6 oz (My 9.0 weighed 12.5)
Price: $160.00
Drop: 6mm drop with a 32mm heel stack height
Website: http://www.hokaoneone.com
Forefoot: The forefoot is wide enough to allow toes to spread. Not flexible as the rigid sole prevents any flexion of the forefoot or toes. With that said the toes have room to flex inside the shoe.
Cushion: I don’t know where to begin as far as describing cushion. If you are looking for a shoe with a lot of cushion, here it is. Trust me, it’s probably more cushion then you’ve ever felt before. It’s a firm cushion meaning it’s not too “squishy” and has somewhat of a rebound effect.
Flexibility: Let’s just say there is none. This doesn’t even come close to passing my roll up test. BUT, the platform of the shoe offers a ton of room and it’s almost as if your foot is functioning barefoot in the shoe. I like to make the statement it feels as if you are running barefoot on wrestling or gymnastic mats. I know this sounds crazy but that’s kinda the feeling I would equate it to.
Overall: The Hoka One One is the industry leader for a maximalist shoe. I still don’t know where this would fit into my running toolbox but I really like wearing it around when my feet and legs are dead from a lot of running. I know a lot of trail runners like this shoe and it’s gaining popularity amongst ultra runners. So bottom line, it’s way too much shoe for me to run in, but I think it’s a better option then wearing a traditional running shoe with an orthotic. It’s definitely worth trying if your considering it. Thanks!!
Great review…I have some Hokas on the way and i cant wait to test them out….i noticed you mentioned “vertical runner”. Are you also from northeast Ohio?
I don’t love running enough to wear those things if I start breaking down. If the time comes that I would need that much cushion, I would just stop.
I’ve owned Hoka shoes for about a month and a half now. I have the Conquest model. I was hoping they would give my legs a break, as I run on pavement all the time. But my knees have started to bother me since I’ve been wearing them. I’ve gone back to my Nike Frees, and the knee issues seem to be subsiding. Not sure of the science behind all this. The Hoka shoes feel great, but I don’t trust them anymore. I seem to do better with a flexible shoe.
I’ve been dealing with patellar tendinitis for six months in my right knee and now that I’m back to running its showing up in my left. Very painful. Would these shoes help alleviate that?
Try not to focus on shoes, but focus on training patterns and form.
Dr Nick
Thanks for your review and details of the shoe elements. Why is this shoe desireble for orthotic wearers ? Right now my inserts elevates my foot too high and therefore causes pain at the top. I have an appt on the 11th to address it and may decide to gives this shoe a try.
Thanks !
Jim
I bought a pair of Hoka Conquests. The first time I ran I thought these were great. I am an older runner who used to run three miles a day 5-6 days a week. I am also 6’3″ and weigh 275 pounds. I found it hard to find the time to run and got away from running for a while. I bought these hoping to minimize some pain while trying to get back into running. I also walked for a few miles in them. My knees started to hurt and in fact weeks later my left knee is still stiff and sore. I am now scared to run or walk in these shoes.Thoughts?
I just bought a pair of Hoka Stintons. I did my first 3 mile run with them yesterday and now have a sore spot right below my knee cap on the upper part of the tibia. I’m thinking that the shoes changed my gait from more of a heal strike to more of a mid-sole strike which has put more tension in this area.
I love the cushion of these shoes so I’m willing to see if I can gradually adapt to this new way of running b/c I believe in the long run the extra cushion will allow me to run longer with less stress on the body.
I am 44 yr old and run 2-3 times a week for about 3-5 miles. I am 6’2 and weight 193.
I have an update from my last post in August. After running all my life in Nike Air Max shoes I have started getting used to the Hokka Stinton and my knee pain has gone away. I must be getting used to the different foot strike and gait.
I am going to start doing longer runs with them and see if I stay pain free.
I switched to the Hokkas because I believe they offer more cushioning than the Air Max which will allow me to run pain free as I grow older.
We will see..
I have knee pain now… thanks to Hokas. I used to run with Brooks GTS and wanted to try the Stinson Tarmac out as I had heard good things about it. I have about 250 miles on my Hokas now and horrible outer knee pain to go along with that now!!
I did my gait analysis done again and I was told that I only needed neutral shoes. I just got a Nike Pegasus now. And, yeah..I’m going to visit a PT this week. Hope this knee pain goes away and I can do my long runs without any discomfort.
Bottom line, HOKAS DID NOT work for me. I think I hurt my running style with all that cushioning 🙁 Just way too much!
As someone who averaged out on 6-10 miles approx. At least 5 days a week, I thought the Hoka One One Stinson Tarmac would be a good shoe for me, especially since I have in the past suffered a knee fracture. So I went ahead and changed from my original shoes. A few months later the shoe, which felt cushy initially, did to my surprise, give me some of the most painful, worst flare up of my old injury. The old fracture had me in pain even while resting. I have been entirely out of running for about 5 months now, having x-rays done, considering surgery etc, running has been out of question and I am only now starting to get back up again with this incredibly slow process, back in my original make of shoes. Be very careful if you have an old injury, the shoe is cushy, but does not provide the best stability, also it promotes heel-strike strides, something I don’t like either since I strike mid-sole. I will never buy these shoes again, they gave me bad pain in both knees and aggravated my old knee fracture even worse. I do not recommend these shoes for people with old injury. Not happy.
i bought a pair of rapa nui 2 hoka one one’s just to see what all the fuss was about. usually i run in zoot’s.
175 pounds, 60 yo, 5 – 7 mile runs 3-4 times a week.
i like them! normally in my zoot’s i start getting various aches legs at 4 miles or so.
in the hokas i do not.
however – you have to adjust your stride to the hokas. that took me about 3 miles, and until i got my stride right i was sort of unhappy. the zoot stride is less busy then the hoka stride. zoots are probably faster in a shorter run.
but long runs probably faster in hokas because less pain.
YMMV!
i think i know why runners get knee pain in Hokas. it is because you can lengthen your stride in Hokas, which feels good and is easier but puts more force on your knee. so if Hokas give you knee pain try shortening your stride.
Very true!
Both my wife both purchased a pair of Hokas about a year ago. We have both ran for well over thirty years. About six months ago after my wife bought her second pair her knees began hurting. I reasoned that a soft foundation was causing too much flexibility that was being transfered to her knees. I talked her into returning to her old favorites and her knee pain is slowly going away. In my younger years I spend many years filling shoe presciptions for orthopedic doctors. This experience gave me a clue as to what was happening. I hope for hokas, I’m wrong.
Agree! See my latest post on Achilles’ tendon injuries and shoes.
Hi. I’ve owned a pair for a while..
I always been more inclined to the minimalist approach but someone recommended these and I got ones first time I ran my toes went numb! Tried again adding a pair of orthotic sole they included in the box and I felt no numbness but my little toe ended was really sore afterwards..so I guess I agree they’re great for walking around
I found this by accident while trying to figure out if my Hokka’s are causing Achilles Tendonitis. I started wearing them about a year ago, and LOVE them. Previous shoes had me with awful foot pain and knee pain after about 20km, in these I can do 50km (hiking, not running) in a day without bad pain. BUT, recently I have got tendonitis and am trying to figure out what caused it. Could it be the fact that I eased off doing much for a few months and then went straight into a couple of weeks of 20+km hikes per week? Or could it be my boots I have been wearing for everything except hiking have really soft insoles with quite a heel lift? Or is it the Hokkas? I’d love to know… I have another 100km event in a few months and need to get back to training!
My guess would be the combination of wearing a heel and then going to a lower drop shoe and then jumping back into high miles. I’d really rest and use a heel lift for several weeks then ease back into running with Lower miles, easy runs and combine some long runs with a walk/run pattern. You will probably be safe staying with Hokas if they worked last year. Try Altra’s as well. They make one really similar. Thanks for reading!!
I’ve tried Hokas a couple of times. They do bring great relief to my plantars faciitis pain. However, they always cause outer ankle pain. Will stick to my Brooks.
I’m 39, and have 3 bulging lumbar discs, causing my left thigh numbness and pain. Since this injury, I was advised not to run anymore due to the impact. I miss it so much, and thought these extra cushioned shoes might make some short distance jogging a safe reality for me. Has anyone dealt with any similar back issues and resumed running? With hokas?
After knee meniscus surgery, I tried the Hokas I had in the basement(freebies) and for that purpose they are great. The impact takes enough of the edge off. Sadly, the lack of forefoot flexibility makes you work very hard to provide propulsion. It’s not a speed issue but effort issue. It’s like running in packed sand, which is great for knees but your hamstring and hips and quads are gonna be hammered. Now I have lower back issues…but honestly I do not blame the Hokas as they solve one issue very very well but the solution is not quite there for the rest of the body.
Is this a good shoe for just walking?
I would say they’re fine to walk in. They’re really not bad shoes I just think they’re too much to run in. I do wear mine though!
Recently went to a Hoka One to use for walking. Have been walking 3 miles four or five times a week for months with no issues. About a month after going to the Hoka, have horrible shin splints. Could they be causing?
I’ve been running for 15 years and never had an injury until I tried Hokas. I ran a 1/2 marathon in them and was ok, but then ran another one 2 weeks later and my knee collapsed with significant pain in the lower outside patella. I’ve had ongoing issues with it ever since (about 6 months now). I suspected the Hokas and slowly returned to running in minimalist shoes and rebuilt mileage–then I tried the Hokas again and am now recovering from the same issue. They absolutely don’t work for me.
Thanks Jill!
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